Aw Heck, Let's Just Talk About The 2013 School Bond Levy Right Here

Let's Talk About School Levies, Shall We?


The CH-UH Board Of Education and the Lay Facilities Committee's alleged efforts to engage the community leave me quite underwhelmed.

I've watched some meetings on video, I've attended a couple of meetings, and I've done my best to otherwise learn about the proposed levy.

Now, all I need is someone to talk to about this.

I'll start the conversation...

Did you know there's most likely two levies, in back-to-back years?

According to the January 9th LFC meeting, which is on video at the BOE's website, you can expect a Capitol Bond Levy in 2013, followed immediately by an Operating Funds Levy in 2014.

And it's pretty well understood that the 6 mils they will ask for on the Capital Bond Levy isn't nearly enough for the whole decade-long facilities initiative. They really need at least 10 mils to do it all.

Start watching (listening) around the 11:30-ish and 37 minute marks, each for about 5 minutes. It's worth your time.

http://www.chuh.org/multimedia/videos (top right, Lay Facilities Meeting - January 9, 2013)

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Nathaniel Brooks January 21, 2013 at 02:07 AM
I pay property tax in Cleveland Heights does that mean I'm invested in the school? If so I want my money back because I see no profit from it. For the most part public schools are for the middle class. People who can afford to send their children to private school, usually don't mind footing that bill. You mentioned a plethora of industry. What industry? Is there some steel mill out in Solon that I don't know about? Is there some GE manufacturing plant they recently put out in Orange? I don't consider the selling of consumer goods also known as retail to be an industry in the sense of the word's original meaning. America produces nothing except crappy people lol. When they originally drew the lines for the school district in Chagrin Falls the area that I stated was cut out for section 8 was previously inhabited prior to section 8 by low income people. Call it poor people, call it section 8, it's all the same to me. \When a majority has the opportunity to stick it to a minority they usually do. I'm just saying.
michaelschwartz January 21, 2013 at 02:34 AM
Nathaniel, UH resident is a fraud who hides behind a fake name and who apparently has duped Garry with her "facts" without links. On thread after thread he/she does nothing but attack those who would tell it like it is about the state of the city and its schools. I guess that is all you can do when the state of the city and schools speak for themselves--attack the messenger, but that is what one has come to expect from those who defend the disasterous status quo. I suspect the UH resident is either a public school teacher with a vested interest in high taxes or just one of the few white lib losers still forcing his/her kids to attend the Heights schools. Any self respecting black or white family has either moved out to the suburbs which UH resident speaks so deridingly of above, or will do anything to pay tuition to a private school to give their kids a fighting chance. People like UH resident are those that are directly responsible for cleveland Heights decline from the suburb of choice to just another low income, rudderless inner ring suburb that in the next 5 years will look like East Cleveland, just like the PD article pointed out today about another suburb Garfield Heights and its high tax aura that people are high tailing out of.
michaelschwartz January 21, 2013 at 02:38 AM
As a sidenote, I bet the sobering multitude of blue light security cameras up and down Lee road that were placed there as a result of numerous muggings and demanded by the merchants are rather not their for their stated purpose of detering the out of control crime, but are there as some form of public art that should be celebrated like the street graffiti artists who tag cars and buildings, huh UH resident?
Garry Kanter January 21, 2013 at 03:29 AM
Your analysis/rant has a half dozen error and misunderstands, including the idea that I have been "duped" because I "get" your shtick.
Michael's Shorts January 21, 2013 at 05:09 AM
Are you debating the fact that the districts you've named as being "successful" also happen to be used by a great deal of high-income families and very few low-income families?
Michael's Shorts January 21, 2013 at 05:11 AM
If you say so.
Michael's Shorts January 21, 2013 at 05:42 AM
Lots of wealthy people use the public schools in those suburbs. Take a drive down Aurora Road in Solon sometime. I'm not talking about retail because every suburb has retail. I'm talking about the office parks, of which the outer-ring suburbs have many and the Heights have almost none. As for Chagrin Falls, at this point I'd love to see a source to back your claim.
Michael's Shorts January 21, 2013 at 05:50 AM
There is no one by the name of "Michael Schwartz" owning property in the City of Cleveland Heights, which begs several questions about YOUR credibility. And since you like links so much, here is one where anyone can verify this tidbit: http://fiscalofficer.cuyahogacounty.us/AuditorApps/real-property/REPI/default.asp As for the rest of your post, Garry's right, as usual it's full of errors and ridiculous hyperbole. You must really be mad.
michaelschwartz January 21, 2013 at 08:07 PM
Garry you were duped. UH resident, as deranged as you are hiding behind your fake name, your link to the county auditor is meaningless. It provides no evidence that the State is going to pay for most of the cost of construction as you state above. So I guess in addtion to being a phony you are also a liar and should be ignored by any serious poster. If you are what represents the school supporting folks and the powers entrenched in city offices, we as a community are in a lot bigger trouble than even I could imagine.
Garry Kanter January 21, 2013 at 08:11 PM
Welcome to the large club of people who claim to know what I think and do better than I, myself , know what I think and do. You are all idiots.
Michael's Shorts January 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM
"schwartz," try to keep up here. The reason I posted that link was to indicate to those reading this discussion that you are not who you claim to be. It's incredibly disingenuous for you to accuse me of something that you're also guilty of. Once again, there is no one by the name of "Michael Schwartz" owning property in Cleveland Heights.
Richard Hollis January 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM
It is not necessary to own peoperty in Cleveland Heights in order to have an opinion, express an opinion, or vote. One of the rules of Patch, however, even though it is not enforced, is to use your own name. Perhaps people might place more credence in what UH Resident has to say it he/she were to use his/her real name. I suppose it is possible that UH Resident is a real name.
Michael's Shorts January 22, 2013 at 12:37 AM
michaelschwartz is not using his real name, either. Or, if he is, then he is not who he says he is (i.e. he's not a CH property owner, as he often claims to be). I make zero pretenses about who I am because UH Resident is clearly an alias. However michaelschwartz is a liar no matter how you slice it.
Richard Hollis January 22, 2013 at 12:59 AM
It could be that his property is in a relatives name, or a corporate name. Many do that for a multitude of reasons. How do we know from your alias that do not live in Butte, Montana? Follow the rules and use your real name. What are you ashamed of?
michaelschwartz January 22, 2013 at 02:04 AM
Thanks Richard for your input. I feel no need to explain myself to Miss Misrepresention. After I outed her for trying to compare the Beachwood schools as a "peer" district of CHUH a few threads ago she has become increasingly bitter and hostile and is unable to post on the topic at hand ( in this case the upcoming school levy) and instead resorts to childish personal attacks and worthless links that have nothing to do with the topic. If he/she is representative of whats left of the Heights schools supporters, I think it speaks for itself and more than prove my points as outlined above. As for shame, I believe UH resident has alot to be ashamed of as evidenced by the immature posts and may be actually be a5th or 6th grader based upon the maturity level of the posts. That could be the reason for the fake name.
Michael's Shorts January 22, 2013 at 02:36 AM
Actually, Michelle (or is it Brandy?), your responses have been consistently ridiculous and off-base. And that discussion about peer districts just shows that you lack basic reading comprehension skills, because I never said that Beachwood was a peer district. Never. Go back and quote what I said, instead paraphrasing in your own convoluted words like you always like to do. It was your MO on Cleveland.com when you called yourself "branddeis" (before being banned) and apparently you've brought that tactic here (along with your hyperbolic, sky is falling rhetoric that is completely out of touch with reality). The most ironic and hilarious thing about this entire discussion is that everything you accuse me of being and doing, that is, being "bitter," "hostile," "immature," "childish," and engaging in personal attacks and using fake names, all of this could very easily be used to describe your posting style.
michaelschwartz January 22, 2013 at 02:41 AM
Just a rhetorical question, UH resident, are you in the 5th or 6th grade?
Nikki Ferrell January 22, 2013 at 03:08 PM
Hey guys! Thanks for commenting on Cleveland Heights Patch. Let's keep discussion here polite, meaningful and without personal attacks, ok? We were talking about school bonds. And...go!
michaelschwartz January 22, 2013 at 03:22 PM
Thanks, Nikki. You are absolutely right. If posters cannot stay on topic and just resort to attacks, let alone using fake names, they should not be here.
Richard Hollis January 22, 2013 at 03:41 PM
If people do not use their real names, one of the Patch rules, their comments should not be posted.
Nikki Ferrell January 22, 2013 at 03:52 PM
Hey guys - I know it might be confusing, but Patch updated their Terms of Use to "encourage, but not require" users to use their real names. You can read the update here: http://clevelandheights.patch.com/terms But again, we're talking about school levies, right?
Garry Kanter January 22, 2013 at 03:59 PM
Doing everything I can to talk about school levies. Which reminds me, unless there is a weather cancellation, there is a buildings subcommittee meeting at 7:00 tonight at Coventry.
John H. January 22, 2013 at 07:25 PM
About Chagrin Falls.......there is a "poor area' of Chagrin Falls called Chagrin Falls Park. It was, when founded, a place where the servants of wealthier Chagrin families lived. Chagrin Schools did draw the lines kicking them out -that neighborhood is in the Kenston School District. That was 100 years ago, and Kenston Schools (Bainbridge & Auburn Twps.) are now arguably just as good as Chagrin schools. But Section 8 was created after the redrawing. Also, a good portion of Solon is industry, and of course, the Nestle/Stouffers campus is a growing part of that industry. Solon taxes them and those taxes help pay for the Schools in Solon, an advantage that CH-UH doesn't have.
Richard Hollis January 22, 2013 at 08:08 PM
It gets to the point that posting anything on Patch because of those few who seem to feel that their opinion is the only opinion. When someone disagrees, the nasty snipes start.
Nathaniel Brooks January 22, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Here is the point. Cleveland Heights school system is in shambles. Every freaking year these public officials from the BOE ask us for more and more money. In exchange for our hard earned dollars we are given an unsatisfactory result. How dare they ask the citizens for $200 million dollars. It is shameful to ask for $200 million dollars to fix external problems and then make the claim that it will also fix the internal problems. Let me tell you here and now it will not. They already tried this in East Cleveland and it did not work. We are still waiting on those perfect SAT scores to come out of East Cleveland. The desire to learn comes from within. Shiny buildings with garage doors, with walls and partitions that rotate is not going to improve algebra scores, or reading comprehension. If any money is to be spent it should be on teachers and not the inflated salaries of public officials. I think who ever did the study for the facilities proposal must have though we were fools. If you brought that crap proposal to Laurel or University school they would have laughed in your face and they could actually come up with the funding. Prove to the citizens that you can maintain a viable school system in our district with the money we already gave you. When you show me a high school with a 90% graduation rate, I'll show you a city that supports its schools. That is all.
Michael's Shorts January 23, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Wow now that was witty. It was almost as funny as the first time you made that comment.
Michael's Shorts January 23, 2013 at 12:40 AM
Richard, would you prefer for me to create an account with a real-sounding name like "Michael" has done? Because that can be arranged.
Michael's Shorts January 23, 2013 at 12:41 AM
Irony at its finest.
Michael's Shorts January 23, 2013 at 12:46 AM
Nathaniel, while I don't disagree with you in theory, as Garry has pointed out, even with the current buildings, tens of millions of dollars in repairs are needed to keep them viable. Remember last year when Roxboro had serious issues that caused the cancellation of several days of school? Money is needed to fix some of the structural problems and if we act fast, some of it can come from the state.
Garry Kanter January 23, 2013 at 12:54 AM
The kids need buildings that don't hinder getting an education. The problem is that this ongoing goat rodeo - of the BOE, the admin, the Lay Facilities Committee, and Reaching Heights - has done nothing to indicate they have a clue as to how to go about analyzing what those needs are, and how to efficiently deliver them. They are wasting time and $, and getting nowhere, fast.


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